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		<title>Quite possibly the best time to buy a MacBook Pro?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 01:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fruit-themed computer manufacturer has finally made an effort to bring the MacBook Pro into the modern era. Boasting new Core i5 and i7 series processors and an updated (albeit last generation) graphics card, the new MacBook Pro sells at a curiously similar price to the MacBook Pro of last week. Take a look at [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fruit-themed computer manufacturer has finally made an effort to bring the MacBook Pro into the modern era. Boasting new Core i5 and i7 series processors and an updated (albeit last generation) graphics card, the new MacBook Pro sells at a curiously similar price to the MacBook Pro of last week.</p>
<p>Take a look at what&#8217;s changed. I left the HP Envy 15 in for a comparison to a modern laptop with non-Apple brand pricing. Once again I am using close-to-base-model because a larger deviation hurts the Mac price far more, but can also be done after-market for cheaper, and is thus pretty unfair.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.simonsarris.com/images/macbook-envy2.jpg"/></p>
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<th>Part</th>
<th>MacBook Pro 15<br/>(1 week ago)</th>
<th>MacBook Pro 15<br/>(Today)</th>
<th>HP Envy 15</th>
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<td>Processor</td>
<td bgcolor=#FF888>Intel Core2 Duo T9600 @ 2.80GHz<br/>(Passmark score: 1995)<br/>(2 cores)</td>
<td bgcolor=#FFFACD>Intel Core i7 M 620 @ 2.60GHz<br/>(Passmark score: 2871)<br/>(2 cores)</td>
<td bgcolor=#88FF88>Intel Core i7 720QM @ 1.60GHz<br/>(Passmark score: 3296)<br/>(4 cores)</td>
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<td>RAM</td>
<td bgcolor=#FFFACD>4GB DDR3</td>
<td bgcolor=#FFFACD>4GB DDR3</td>
<td bgcolor=#FFFACD>4GB DDR3</td>
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<td>Video</td>
<td bgcolor=#FF888>NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT<br/>512MB of GDDR3<br/>120 gigaFLOPs<br/>OpenGL 2.1</td>
<td bgcolor=#FFFACD>NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M<br/>512MB of GDDR3<br/>182 gigaFLOPs<br/>OpenGL 2.1 </td>
<td bgcolor=#88FF88>Mobility Radeon HD 5830<br/>1GB of GDDR3<br/>800 gigaFLOPs<br/>OpenGL 3.2</td>
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<td>Screen</td>
<td bgcolor=#FF888>15.4&#8243;<br/>1440&#215;900</td>
<td bgcolor=#FFFACD>15.4&#8243;<br/>1680&#215;1050</td>
<td bgcolor=#88FF88>15.6&#8243;<br/>1920&#215;1080</td>
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<td>HDD</td>
<td bgcolor=#FFFACD>500GB SATA<br/>@ 7200 rpm</td>
<td bgcolor=#FFFACD>500GB SATA<br/>@ 7200 rpm</td>
<td bgcolor=#FFFACD>500GB SATA<br/>@ 7200 rpm</td>
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<td>Price:</td>
<td bgcolor=#FFFACD>$2,399.00</td>
<td bgcolor=#FFFACD>$2,399.00</td>
<td bgcolor=#88FF88>$1,749.99</td>
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<p>Little else has changed on the Pro aside from the processor, video card, and max screen resolution. The supported DirectX and OpenGL are still still 10.1 and 2.1 respectively, and the laptop&#8217;s price remains unchanged*.</p>
<p>The updated video card is NVIDIA&#8217;s GeForce GT 330M, which is an over-clocked GT 240M, which itself is just an over-clocked GT 230M (June 2009), which explains the aging DirectX and OpenGL versions.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, thanks to Apple&#8217;s staunch refusal to discount hardware that was already two years old, it is a significantly better time to buy a MacBook Pro than it was just one week ago, be it new or used. Every other laptop manufacturer has had to reduce prices on aged models or introduce newer models in order to stay competitive, but it seems that Apple is immune to Father Time, perhaps because its consumer base practices an isolationism unseen since the days of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hai_jin">Hai jin.</a></p>
<p>This is of course not a bad thing in itself. If you&#8217;re running an all-Mac shop then right now is quite possibly the best time to buy a MacBook Pro. Yesterday, however, was quite possibly the worst.<br />
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<p><i>* As configured above. I believe the minimum price for a base 15-inch MacBook Pro is slightly less than it was previous.</i></p>
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		<title>Quite possibly the worst time to buy a MacBook Pro</title>
		<link>http://simonsarris.com/blog/19-mac-envy</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 01:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve been looking for a new laptop since January, so far being generally unimpressed due to the slow adoption of the mobile i7 processors. I ended up with just a few, the best of which seems to be the HP Envy. Dell and Lenovo have contending i5 and i7-based systems out, but all the models [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been looking for a new laptop since January, so far being generally unimpressed due to the slow adoption of the mobile i7 processors. I ended up with just a few, the best of which seems to be the HP Envy. Dell and Lenovo have contending i5 and i7-based systems out, but all the models except the Envy seemed to have one or two unforgivable drawbacks, such as only two dimm slots, only one hdd slot, poor screen resoloution, or a new processor coupled with a miserably dated graphics card (I&#8217;m looking at you, Lenovo).</p>
<p>Every time I mention that I&#8217;m looking for a new laptop I have gotten no good suggestions other than one recommendation for the HP Envy and a handful of people advocating the MacBook Pro. I don&#8217;t plan on running OSX but I recall back in late 2007 an article <a href="http://www.pcworld.com/article/136649-3/in_pictures_the_most_notable_notebooks_of_2007.html">mentioning the Mac being the fastest Vista notebook</a>, so I figured I&#8217;d at least take a look. Comparing it to the Envy though, the results were pretty stark.</p>
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<th>Part</th>
<th>MacBook Pro 15</th>
<th>HP Envy 15</th>
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<td>Processor</td>
<td>Intel Core2 Duo T9600 @ 2.80GHz<br />
(Passmark score: 1995)</td>
<td bgcolor=#88FF88>Intel Core i7 720QM @ 1.60GHz<br />
(Passmark score: 3296)</td>
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<td>RAM</td>
<td>4GB DDR3</td>
<td bgcolor=#FFFACD>4GB DDR3</td>
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<td>Video</td>
<td>NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT<br />
512MB of GDDR3<br />
120 gigaFLOPs<br />
OpenGL 2.1</td>
<td bgcolor=#88FF88>Mobility Radeon HD 5830<br />
1GB of GDDR3<br />
800 gigaFLOPs<br />
OpenGL 3.2</td>
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<td>Screen</td>
<td>15.4&#8243; 1440&#215;900</td>
<td bgcolor=#88FF88>15.6&#8243; 1920&#215;1080</td>
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<td>HDD</td>
<td>500GB SATA<br />
@ 7200 rpm</td>
<td bgcolor=#FFFACD>500GB SATA<br />
@ 7200 rpm</td>
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<td>Price:</td>
<td>$2,399.00</td>
<td bgcolor=#88FF88>$1,749.99</td>
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<p><a href="http://www.primatelabs.ca/geekbench/">Geekbench</a> generally rates the two laptops on the whole with a score average of around 3700 for the Mac vs 5000 for the HP Envy, making the performance-per-price <i>enormously</i> in favor of the Envy.</p>
<p>The Mac&#8217;s poor marks largely stem from its age. This is the newest 15&#8243; laptop, according to Apple&#8217;s own store, yet it is using a processor and video card that were released in July 2008 and June 2008, respectively. On the other hand, the Envy has a video card from last month and a processor from September of 2009.</p>
<p>So why the price discrepancy? $650 <i>more</i> than the up-to-date Envy is an enormous sum to pay for a laptop that was largely produced a year and a half ago. It doesn&#8217;t help matters to be reminded that this is the performance line of laptop, nearly Apple&#8217;s highest attainable 15&#8243; without going deeper in to terrible price-per-performance territory. (see below)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to say the MacBook Pro will <i>never</i> be worth its cost. It is expected that Apple will be refreshing its product line in the very near future, but in the interim it seems almost cruel to Mac fans to charge so much for pathetically dated technology. Right now is quite possibly the worst time to buy a MacBook Pro.</p>
<p>I guess people who consider MacBook Pros are only comparing them to other (past) MacBook Pros, and in solely that light they&#8217;re clearly well-endowed. The only reason to buy a MacBook Pro at this point in time would be an enormous desire for OSX over any other operating system coupled with a belligerent ignorance of computer hardware timelines. What&#8217;s more absurd than the price is be that <a href="http://www.9to5mac.com/macbook_sales_are_exploding">Apple still seems to be selling the things.</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure others have made this observation in the past, but I get the feeling that Apple actually holds their users hostage. If Apple opened up OSX to be installable on non-Mac platforms it would almost surely kill the MacBook Pro of today, or maybe just force them into using hardware that isn&#8217;t trash. Hardware <i>this</i> old for <i>that</i> much just seems gimmicky, or even dishonest.</p>
<p>Other upgrades not added to my table don&#8217;t help the Mac much:<br />
The MacBook Pro has an optional Intel Core2 Duo T9900 @ 3.06GHz, which came out in April 2009, (passmark 2328) +$300 for 333 more passmark points<br />
The Envy has an optional Intel Core i7 820QM @ 1.73GHz, brand new, (passmark 3708) +$400 for 412 more passmark points</p>
<p>The Mac can be upgraded to 8GB for $600 more while the Envy can be upgraded to 8GB for $300 more. The HP has a large advantage even with after-market upgrades due to it having 4 RAM slots instead of 2.</p>
<p>As an aside, there are a few other aspects of the laptops that could be compared that I didn&#8217;t factor in to the above because they are hardly worth mentioning once the processor and video card age are apparent, but I&#8217;ll list them here for those interested. The HP wins on the battery side of things (life is debatable, being able to swap out batteries is not. Like I said above the Envy also has more RAM upgrade options as well as two HDD slots. I didn&#8217;t look much at sound, but I&#8217;m going to guess that the MacBook Pro&#8217;s speakers produce better sound than the Envy. The Envy also has no optical drive inside of itself (remember the second HDD slot), so I added the HP external USB optical option to my configuration, which added (surprisingly only) $50 to its price.</p>
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